Uppercut: fat taxes
I told already you’ve failed to question or test any of your ludicrous assertions. Where is the evidence of falling nutrition standards in terms of hospital admissions for conditions related to malnutrition? Have you checked whether conditions of malnutrition such as scurvy, rickets, anemia, are on the rise?
Then there’s your assertion that fat people cause conditions in themselves; that when they occur in others are not caused by those people; doesn’t that strike you as odd? What is the scientific-not moral- explanation for these conditions occuring in those who aren’t fat?
As for anorexia being a mental illness, fat people have been required to pursue that as a supposed “cure” for ‘obesity’. Gastric bypass surgery reduces the stomach to the size of a golfball, causes mal absorption and often vomiting and dumping (I’ll leave you to check out that delight).
As you noted, genuine anorexia is rare and is relatively rare and about susceptibility. Yet when people do manage to keep this up as a lifestyle i.e. “pro-ana”, they are defined as ”mentally ill”.
As for this;
the health service in this country spend €4 billion a year on problems related to obesity
What exactly does this kind of figure refer to? Everything considered “obesity related” whether it happens in fat people or not? All sickness that occurs in fat people? Or the figure you get from subtracting the instances they occur in people who are not fat, from those who are?
Whilst you’re at it, you could explain why life expectancy is continuing to rise.
I’ll take your questions i turn:
- The fat and salt content of processed food is increasing and thus it is of less nutritional value. Like rickets, obesity is often symtom of poor diet.
- Being obese increases your likelihood of every condition I named, as I said healthy people can obviously develop them as well but it is much less likely. The scientific reason is dependent on the illness and case, it can be anything from environmental factors to a genetic predisposition. Here is some basic medical information.
- I’m not totally sure what you were trying to say here:
As for anorexia being a mental illness, fat people have been required to pursue that as a supposed “cure” for ‘obesity’. Gastric bypass surgery reduces the stomach to the size of a golfball,
- Are you trying to say that having a gastic bypass makes you anorexia? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re not making such a horrendously ignorant and deeply offensive comparison. All I can say is at no point did I say gastric bypass surgery was something that should be encouraged.
- The figure of 4 billion comes from the HSE (Irish Government)’s ‘HSE Framework for Action on Obesity 2008 - 2012’. You can read it here if you like.
- Why on Earth would any take the term “obesity related” to mean anything other than conditions that are the result the obesity of the patient?
- Life expectancy is rising because of better healthcare.
Just so you know, you’ve yet to make a coherent argument (or any argument for that matter) against me.So the answer is no, conditions relating to actual malnutrition are not increasing.
Being obese increases your likelihood of every condition I named, as I said healthy people can obviously develop them as well but it is much less likely. The scientific reason is dependent on the illness and case, it can be anything from environmental factors to a genetic predisposition.
Well done, illness is dependent on interactions between environmental and genetic factors whether you are fat or slim.
Are you trying to say that having a gastic bypass makes you anorexia? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re not making such a horrendously ignorant and deeply offensive comparison. All I can say is at no point did I say gastric bypass surgery was something that should be encouraged.
Are you for real? I told you to find out what GBS is. You’re right if you find the idea offensive-welcome to our world. That medical professionals think it is acceptable for people to aim for anorexia, whether cut or uncut and is medically unethical. It is not for me though to list their motivations.
Write to your local representative about it detailing your outrage. You could also try finding out about the costs, seeing as you’re into that.
Why on Earth would any take the term “obesity related” to mean anything other than conditions that are the result the obesity of the patient?
Oh so naive, that’s why I told you to find out precisely what it was referring to. So you could find out for yourself exactly the kind of thing ‘obesity’ promoters deal in, unsurprisingly you ducked it, which is exactly what they depend on.
Life expectancy is rising because of better healthcare.
Feel free to explain how that works.
Oh and by the way, I don’t need “basic facts” as you call them; from the site you linked to “normal weight obesity“-that’s when your weight is acceptable, but you still manage to get labelled a fatty fatso.
Presumably, if unwell, no longer innocent, awwwww.
How can anyone tell whether slim people are bad or good, just by looking? Do you recommend we start shaming slimming, for their health, or what?
Show us what are the breakdown of the “likelihood” of a person in the, underweight, slim, overweight and ‘obese’ categories having any “obesity related” condition.
Lay it in front of us so we can compare and see the “likelihood” for ourselves. I’m afraid I can no longer take ‘obesity’ facts/statistics on face value, they have a record of consistently lacking substance on closer inspection.
People like yourself imagine you’ve surpassed fat people’s own knowledge of their own bodies, by virtue of absorbing assertions you lack the curiousity to check for yourself; you can only do that with our silence and we no longer feel like it.
Of course us no longer humouring your kind of mindless credulity might feel “incoherent”. You might catch on eventually…………….then again, you might not.
Kid,
Let me just clear something up, because I think it’s where you and I differ; would I be right in saying you don’t believe doctors, or scientist or math because they all say being obese increases the likelihood of suffering from certain illnesses and you don’t like that and this is part of some bias you perceive?Because, as far as I can tell, you seem to think the connection between obesity and poor health is an arguable point when its not, it’s a medical fact.
I really am sorry to hit you with another curve ball like this but; while you may think you are super duper special for knowing what I gastric bypass is, I hate to break it to you that I didn’t need go and find out what it was because I, like most people, already know.
However, seeing as we are giving each other advice on what to read up on, you might what to bone up on your anorexia knowledge because you seem be to labouring away under the misconception that it’s a physical state. Whatever forced parallels you like to draw between the physical symptoms of anorexia and a gastric bypass are, like all your arguments so far, utter superficial. One exists in the mind of sufferer, the other is a procedure, if you can’t see the difference then there is no point in me expecting anything resembling a rational argument from you, and I apologies for expecting that from you thus far.
The simple fact is when someone says obesity related they’re not trying to push an agenda to hurt your feelings, they’re talking about conditions that directly arise out of someone being obese. Because you have an agenda based on a uniformed ideology scribbled on the back of your notebook that does not mean that everyone who disagrees with you is doing the same.
If you really want to get your point across you need to learn how engage in a debate with someone. Take something they say and refute it with evidence. Now I’m sure you’ll have something to say about how me having evidence and your distinct lack of same is down to some anti-you bias in the “lamestream” media, but until then you’re never going to be able to convince any rational person that there is merit in what I think you’re trying to say.
